I did a
GoogleSearch http://www.google.com/search?q=DateAndDarwen to find my refactorings of
DateAndDarwen. I was surprised to find two things in the first page of results:
- c2.com did not appear in the result
- a site called http://simplewebs.com/c2/?DateAndDarwen
There was also a hit on my wiki which was not unexpected:
http://mahi.ucsd.edu/cgi-bin/ChrisGarrod?DateAndDarwen I kept some notes on my refactoring there.
I looked into the simplewebs site, and found the information I expected to find on c2.com. On c2.com, I was modifying my
HomePage, and after saving it, I asked simplewebs for
http://simplewebs.com/c2/?ChrisGarrod and it found my new page. I then asked for
http://simplewebs.com/c2/?RecentChanges and found that it was dated 20070423 - about a week old.
My question is: Why is simplewebs doing this, and do we on
WardsWiki care? When I click on one of their
EditPage buttons, I get an url like:
http://simplewebs.com/c2/?edit=RecentChanges that doesn't mention the
CodeWord at all, so I presume their changes stay there. Are they trying to hijack our content?
And lastly, why didn't Google find the pages on c2.com with
DateAndDarwen?
--
ChrisGarrod
Oh and also, these came up as hits too, and I didn't trust the web to visit them:
The above URLs had our
WikiWords in them but the content was more of a listing as in a harvest. Who knows anything about those? The cryptic portion of the URLs are so similar.
And lastly, why didn't Google find the pages on c2.com with DateAndDarwen?
Chris did his investigations in April 2007, back when
GoogleHatesWiki.
I just came upon the simplewebs site.
RecentChanges is up-to-date, as is
RubyOnRailsRulesTheUniverse. I edited
RubyOnRailsRulesTheUniverse from simplewebs, and the edit took. No
CodeWord needed. The
RubyOnRailsRulesTheUniverse changes show up on the usual c2 site. Who the heck hosts simplewebs? --
ElizabethWiethoff
Whois says:
Registrant:
Jeremy, Backus
Jeremy Backus
1726 Woodland Drive
Vienna, WV 26105
US
Domain Name: SIMPLEWEBS.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Jeremy, Backus [email protected]
Jeremy Backus
850 Washburn Avenue
280
Louisville, KY 40222
US
502-425-2408 fax: 999 999 9999
Record expires on 22-Feb-2008.
Record created on 22-Feb-1999.
Database last updated on 16-Oct-2007 18:13:25 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.ASPNIX.COM 216.183.116.203
NS2.ASPNIX.COM 66.179.186.240
So I guess this would be a question for
JeremyBackus ...
BTW, the trick to seeing the simplewebs pages is to turn off
JavaScript. With JS on, simplewebs just redirects to the usual c2 page (or sometimes twirls & blinks in confusion). For example, try visiting
http://simplewebs.com/c2/?DateAndDarwen or
http://simplewebs.com/?DateAndDarwen with
JavaScript turned on,
JavaScript turned off. Once there (with JS off), you can look at the page source. You'll see that the page contains loads of other
JavaScript stuff amidst weird, invalid HTML.
Simplewebs could be a proxy hack:
http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/google-proxy-hacking. Even if it's not, failing to prevent proxy hacking could explain why
GoogleHatesWiki sometimes.
--
ElizabethWiethoff
What browser are you using? With JavaScript on, I have no problem viewing the simplewebs site or source in FireFox.
I wonder if simplewebs wasn't a Ward-sanctioned effort to develop a WardsWiki successor - with full integration to the "old" WardsWiki to ease migration - that never made it to production. Or, that has yet to make it to production... --
DaveVoorhis
Firefox 2 on
MacOsx. Yes, Simplewebs might be Ward-sanctioned. On the other hand,
JeremyBackus's page lists a couple links (snap.com and nichebot.com) which give me the royal creeps, and I'm engaging in guilt by association. In either case, duplicate content can get
WardsWiki (or Simplewebs) dropped ever since Google started incorporating dupe detection in its indexing algo. -- Eliz
I noticed something interesting looking at simplewebs.com/?
DaveVoorhis. The first sentence reads as follows: "Note: As of 01Desimplewebs006, [...]". That looked odd to me, so I checked Dave's page on the real c2 wiki, and the first sentence is actually "Note: As of 01Dec2006, [...]". They ran a (much too simple) search-and-replace, changing "c2" to "simplewebs". My money is on this not being Ward-sanctioned in any way. --
MichaelSparks
Yup. Based on that evidence, I change my position. -- DV
Though, on second thought (somewhat later), it might be an innocuous mechanism - the device to transform URLs like http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?AccountingModeling to http://simplewebs.com/?AccountingModeling might be nothing but a crude global text replacement, built on the mistaken assumption that 'c2' would never appear in normal discussion except in URLs. Or, the mechanism might not have been completed. Maybe. I've emailed Jeremy Backus about this, so we'll see what he says, if anything. -- DV
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